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		<title>By: Boshena the Spray Tan Expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boshena the Spray Tan Expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacke Denicki, you are so right about companies spending megadollars on offline advertising, but failing miserably when it comes to supporting their customers online. But they are watching. Not long ago I got threatened with legal action because I wrote some unfavourable stuff about company on my website. 

And instead hunting down people that tell them the truth they should concentrate on making a better product (in my opinion anyway). I guess that they prefer not to know what are the issues for their customers in using their product. That doesn&#039;t seem to be a very smart move, but sadly its true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacke Denicki, you are so right about companies spending megadollars on offline advertising, but failing miserably when it comes to supporting their customers online. But they are watching. Not long ago I got threatened with legal action because I wrote some unfavourable stuff about company on my website. </p>
<p>And instead hunting down people that tell them the truth they should concentrate on making a better product (in my opinion anyway). I guess that they prefer not to know what are the issues for their customers in using their product. That doesn&#8217;t seem to be a very smart move, but sadly its true.</p>
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		<title>By: mish</title>
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		<dc:creator>mish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the j holiday skin tan product very much but it takes a while to build the tan.
As for M Jennings im also in Au and most of the population is wearing fake tans here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the j holiday skin tan product very much but it takes a while to build the tan.<br />
As for M Jennings im also in Au and most of the population is wearing fake tans here!</p>
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		<title>By: Agnezka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agnezka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 00:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who wants to look like they’ve been got by the Daystar?&quot;

Just the zillions of folks who like this cool product and who do not like looking like a pasty slug :-P
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who wants to look like they’ve been got by the Daystar?&#8221;</p>
<p>Just the zillions of folks who like this cool product and who do not like looking like a pasty slug <img src='http://www.mediainfluencer.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mchael Jennings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mchael Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I can&#039;t imagine why anyone would want a (fake or genuine) tan, but that may just be that I am an Australian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I can&#8217;t imagine why anyone would want a (fake or genuine) tan, but that may just be that I am an Australian.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jennings</title>
		<link>http://www.mediainfluencer.net/2006/09/nice-shade-of-web-buzz/comment-page-1/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now do a lot of browsing on mobile devices (Blackberries, PDAs, other Smart Phones). These have small screens, and sometimes (but not always) are used over low bandwidth and/or expensive connections. It is interesting to see how different sites appear when I try to read them. They seem to fall into a few categories:

	(a) Intelligent - the web server at the other end notices you are using a mobile device, and gives you a special low bandwidth, low screen resolution version of the site.
	(b) Flexible - the website is designed to scale well to most conceivable screen sizes, and is designed for relatively low bandwidth requirements in the first place. 
	(c) At least you can see it - The website is not optimised or designed for mobile devices, but it sends the same information it would to an ordinary computer and you can view it.
	(d) Really really dumb - The web server looks at your details and sends you an error message telling you that your screen is too small and/or you are using a browser it doesn&#039;t recognise. (The more hilarious examples of this then redirect you to the Internet Explorer page at Microsoft so you can &quot;upgrade&quot; to a compatible browser). 

Of these, (a) and (b) are both fine. (c) demonstrates designers who have probably not thought anything through, as there are proxy sites that can convert a (c) site to something resembling a (b) before anything is actually transmitted over the airwaves. (The Opera mobile and Opera mini browsers use one automatically - they are very clever). People responsible for (d) need to be taken out and shot though. It is again this idea that if you are not using the hardware they are thinking of or the internet in exactly the way they think you should, then the fault is yours. This really improves my respect for a company, obviously.

There seems little connection between the size or type of company and which category they fall into. (The BBC is an (a) and Time magazine is a (d), for instance. While I utterly detest the BBC, this means that it is my main news source when I travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now do a lot of browsing on mobile devices (Blackberries, PDAs, other Smart Phones). These have small screens, and sometimes (but not always) are used over low bandwidth and/or expensive connections. It is interesting to see how different sites appear when I try to read them. They seem to fall into a few categories:</p>
<p>	(a) Intelligent &#8211; the web server at the other end notices you are using a mobile device, and gives you a special low bandwidth, low screen resolution version of the site.<br />
	(b) Flexible &#8211; the website is designed to scale well to most conceivable screen sizes, and is designed for relatively low bandwidth requirements in the first place.<br />
	(c) At least you can see it &#8211; The website is not optimised or designed for mobile devices, but it sends the same information it would to an ordinary computer and you can view it.<br />
	(d) Really really dumb &#8211; The web server looks at your details and sends you an error message telling you that your screen is too small and/or you are using a browser it doesn&#8217;t recognise. (The more hilarious examples of this then redirect you to the Internet Explorer page at Microsoft so you can &#8220;upgrade&#8221; to a compatible browser). </p>
<p>Of these, (a) and (b) are both fine. (c) demonstrates designers who have probably not thought anything through, as there are proxy sites that can convert a (c) site to something resembling a (b) before anything is actually transmitted over the airwaves. (The Opera mobile and Opera mini browsers use one automatically &#8211; they are very clever). People responsible for (d) need to be taken out and shot though. It is again this idea that if you are not using the hardware they are thinking of or the internet in exactly the way they think you should, then the fault is yours. This really improves my respect for a company, obviously.</p>
<p>There seems little connection between the size or type of company and which category they fall into. (The BBC is an (a) and Time magazine is a (d), for instance. While I utterly detest the BBC, this means that it is my main news source when I travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point. Perhaps when people realise a web page is not like TV, where you get exactly what was broadcast. The client side (browser) has an awfully lot of say in how the page will look and behave.

You can force colours, fonts, layouts all easily within IE, if you&#039;re willing to mess with FireFox extensions you can do far more.

At some point I expect someone to say we need a way to slave the browser to the server. Encrypting the source on the host so only the browser (and not user) can read it - and forcing the browser to render the page as directed by server (Out goes add blocking software!).

Always worth having a quick look at the source of any noteworthy page - so much information gets left in that does not get displayed.

But, Fake Tan – Don’t see the point! Who wants to look like they’ve been got by the Daystar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point. Perhaps when people realise a web page is not like TV, where you get exactly what was broadcast. The client side (browser) has an awfully lot of say in how the page will look and behave.</p>
<p>You can force colours, fonts, layouts all easily within IE, if you&#8217;re willing to mess with FireFox extensions you can do far more.</p>
<p>At some point I expect someone to say we need a way to slave the browser to the server. Encrypting the source on the host so only the browser (and not user) can read it &#8211; and forcing the browser to render the page as directed by server (Out goes add blocking software!).</p>
<p>Always worth having a quick look at the source of any noteworthy page &#8211; so much information gets left in that does not get displayed.</p>
<p>But, Fake Tan – Don’t see the point! Who wants to look like they’ve been got by the Daystar?</p>
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		<title>By: Adriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zimon, thanks for that, the web always has its ways.. :) But how is your &#039;average users&#039; to know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zimon, thanks for that, the web always has its ways.. <img src='http://www.mediainfluencer.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But how is your &#8216;average users&#8217; to know?</p>
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		<title>By: Zimon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. Shortcut keys work fine for me (As does the Edit menu in IE).

Disabling active scripting in IE security settings will stop the Java Script on the page interupting the right click menu.

You can also use View -&gt; Source in IE and grab the text from the HTML.

Flash websites and lifting text from inside images can be tricky, but it&#039;s allways doable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.. Shortcut keys work fine for me (As does the Edit menu in IE).</p>
<p>Disabling active scripting in IE security settings will stop the Java Script on the page interupting the right click menu.</p>
<p>You can also use View -> Source in IE and grab the text from the HTML.</p>
<p>Flash websites and lifting text from inside images can be tricky, but it&#8217;s allways doable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Danicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie Danicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 00:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adriana, I first heard about Holiday Skin from you! As I know you&#039;re a discerning customer, your evangelism led to my purchase(s - I&#039;ve bought a few bottles for friends, too). You&#039;re the sort of customer every brand manager dreams of. :-)

The topic of corporate websites which totally disregard the aims of the customer (aka &#039;user&#039; - I&#039;m a beauty addict, not a smack addict, thankyouverymuch) is one dear to our hearts at Jack &amp; Hill. The people green-lighting these sites (I&#039;m convinced much of the stupidity is down to agencies showing clients very slick sites where they control all look and functionality, and the client thinking that&#039;s great, and totally ignoring the customer) seemingly have no idea how evangelism-proof they are making their brands. As I blogged on one occasion, &quot;Make it as easy as possible for women like us to spend money on your products, to spread the word about them, and to help build your brand without you having to spend a penny. Now, it&#039;s easier than ever. Ignorance is no excuse; it&#039;s shameful.&quot;


We have blogged many pleas to companies, begging them to show one ounce of sensibility when using the web to communicate with customers. Time and again, they screw themselves quite unnecessarily with customer-hostile technology (like disabling right-click functionality, or holding pertinent information hostage in PDFs). If you&#039;re interested, here is just a tiny sample of brands we&#039;ve blogged about whose websites show that they need some serious schooling in the most basic of skills: having empathy and consideration for  those who pay their wages.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/05/feel_free_to_sp.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proctor &amp; Gamble&lt;/a&gt; (and ThisWorks)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/05/beauty_biz_101.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;L&#039;Oreal&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/07/lacoste_and_its.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lacoste&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/05/lancomes_websit.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lancome&lt;/a&gt;

If you dig deeper into our archives, you can also find us railing against the evangelism-proof sites of Frederick Fekkai, Pierre Michel, A+ Skin Care, and many others. Sooner or later, these brands are going to get hit - hard - with a clue-by-four about what the internet is actually about.

Again, thanks for leading me to Holiday Skin! My friends and mother-in-law thank you too. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adriana, I first heard about Holiday Skin from you! As I know you&#8217;re a discerning customer, your evangelism led to my purchase(s &#8211; I&#8217;ve bought a few bottles for friends, too). You&#8217;re the sort of customer every brand manager dreams of. <img src='http://www.mediainfluencer.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The topic of corporate websites which totally disregard the aims of the customer (aka &#8216;user&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;m a beauty addict, not a smack addict, thankyouverymuch) is one dear to our hearts at Jack &#038; Hill. The people green-lighting these sites (I&#8217;m convinced much of the stupidity is down to agencies showing clients very slick sites where they control all look and functionality, and the client thinking that&#8217;s great, and totally ignoring the customer) seemingly have no idea how evangelism-proof they are making their brands. As I blogged on one occasion, &#8220;Make it as easy as possible for women like us to spend money on your products, to spread the word about them, and to help build your brand without you having to spend a penny. Now, it&#8217;s easier than ever. Ignorance is no excuse; it&#8217;s shameful.&#8221;</p>
<p>We have blogged many pleas to companies, begging them to show one ounce of sensibility when using the web to communicate with customers. Time and again, they screw themselves quite unnecessarily with customer-hostile technology (like disabling right-click functionality, or holding pertinent information hostage in PDFs). If you&#8217;re interested, here is just a tiny sample of brands we&#8217;ve blogged about whose websites show that they need some serious schooling in the most basic of skills: having empathy and consideration for  those who pay their wages.</p>
<p><a href="http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/05/feel_free_to_sp.html" rel="nofollow">Proctor &#038; Gamble</a> (and ThisWorks)</p>
<p><a href="http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/05/beauty_biz_101.html" rel="nofollow">L&#8217;Oreal</a></p>
<p><a href="http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/07/lacoste_and_its.html" rel="nofollow">Lacoste</a></p>
<p><a href="http://jackandhill.typepad.com/jack_and_hill_a_beauty_bl/2005/05/lancomes_websit.html" rel="nofollow">Lancome</a></p>
<p>If you dig deeper into our archives, you can also find us railing against the evangelism-proof sites of Frederick Fekkai, Pierre Michel, A+ Skin Care, and many others. Sooner or later, these brands are going to get hit &#8211; hard &#8211; with a clue-by-four about what the internet is actually about.</p>
<p>Again, thanks for leading me to Holiday Skin! My friends and mother-in-law thank you too. <img src='http://www.mediainfluencer.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Roland Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No insult was intended :-)

As a user of a minority platform I&#039;m accustomed to working around webmaster foolishness but, you&#039;re correct of course, this is indeed an own-goal by J&amp;J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No insult was intended <img src='http://www.mediainfluencer.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As a user of a minority platform I&#8217;m accustomed to working around webmaster foolishness but, you&#8217;re correct of course, this is indeed an own-goal by J&#038;J.</p>
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		<title>By: Adriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roland, I am almost hurt that you&#039;d think I don&#039;t know about  Cut/Copy/Paste shortcuts (Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V)! :) I actually prefer them to right click... But alas, on jnj.com they just don&#039;t work. Period. You get a dialog window saying &quot;right click functionality has been disabled on this website&quot;. So my point stands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roland, I am almost hurt that you&#8217;d think I don&#8217;t know about  Cut/Copy/Paste shortcuts (Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V)! <img src='http://www.mediainfluencer.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I actually prefer them to right click&#8230; But alas, on jnj.com they just don&#8217;t work. Period. You get a dialog window saying &#8220;right click functionality has been disabled on this website&#8221;. So my point stands.</p>
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		<title>By: Roland Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roland Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you&#039;re using Internet Explorer, which is a bit limiting, but presumably even Microsoft hasn&#039;t dumped the Cut/Copy/Paste shortcuts (Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V) in IE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you&#8217;re using Internet Explorer, which is a bit limiting, but presumably even Microsoft hasn&#8217;t dumped the Cut/Copy/Paste shortcuts (Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V) in IE?</p>
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